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In part one, we take a look into the complex history of Playboy Enterprises, and the bizarre phenomena involving over 2 dozen Playmates who have all died prematurely.
In part one, we take a look at the complex history of Playboy Enterprises, and the bizarre phenomena involving over 2 dozen Playmates who have all died prematurely.
I had to do the research on Playboy because that's like that's all you right? That's what I do
what's up guys, welcome to the PBP podcast where we give our unsolicited opinions point blank period. I'm Hannah. I'm Sydney. Thank you guys so much for being here today. We really appreciate it. Today's episode is going to be a little bit different. We got
a little bit formal what? It's gonna be a little bit more formal today. So we're really excited.
Yeah, I know for the past few episodes we've been giving y'all you know, the juice, the drama. But it's been a while since we did a formal episode and like, given like some history, and I think the last one we did was the conspiracies, wasn't it?
Yes. Which we never posted on? Yeah, on like our platform. That was a good one. Yeah, it was. And if you guys want to hear it, I can definitely post it. Upload it.
I think everybody watched it on YouTube.
Yeah. But I think we got a lot of views on that one.
So like 2.2k Yeah. Or was it the honors though? Kanye.
That was that one. And then the one before that, but that think that one still got a decent like amount of use.
Kanye was very much like a trending name at the time. Yeah. And so
so it kind of just blew up a little bit. Yeah, so how are you doing? Good
says, I am really excited for this episode. I'm really excited to record it because I think it's something different. Like it's not necessarily true crime. Like we're not going into the details of like the investigations on these deaths. But it's also something to think about. It's like, definitely strange, in a way. Yeah. And so I'm looking forward to do this type of episode because like I said, it's been a while. So I'm just Hi.
Yeah, speaking of strange, strange thing is comes out this week,
so fucking excited to because I have a four day weekend coming up. I'm off Friday, so
because Morial day, totally forgot,
so I'm binging
I don't I'm not gonna be able to rewatch all three seasons, but
not either, but they did the cast did a really good video where they recapped and so you should go watch it because I truly felt like after I watched that video that I was like, caught up. Okay. It was it was pretty good. They did a good job of
yeah, we're probably gonna need to refresh everyone everyone's memory definitely. But I'm really excited I am too I'm so fucking hype look, if you don't watch Stranger Things, what are you doing?
Yeah, and just leave right now
get out by so good. Yeah, it really is like it's not I don't think there's really anything comparable to Stranger Things like they definitely took their own idea and ran with it and there's really not much like it and and so that's why I think it's such a hit because it's not like you have you have murder shows and you have like you know things that a lot of the things have the same type of storyline but this one is it's yeah all on its own
it's like all it's like all crime you know type of show like Breaking Bad better calls. You know, Ozarks shit like that Dexter like Yeah,
but this one is very much sci fi. Definitely. No it I mean, I guess that's what it would be classified it, which I wouldn't watch it for the longest time because I was like, I'm not into fucking sci fi like, Yeah, I'm not about to watch a show about monsters. No, it's I'm fucking hooked. So we've been waiting a long time for this. So I'm
really excited. Also, I saw that they are coming out with an IT prequel on HBO Max it's called Welcome to dairy. I think dairy Yeah. Because it's in Derry, Maine. Oh, yeah, that's where it is located. Like in a fictional
that look. The new one was okay.
I've really liked the first part one
the the old version of it. He's so much scarier. Like, he's just like, I don't know, there's something about those classic horror movies where they're like a movie was so stupid, but really though, like, it was very much scary for the times. And there's nothing like the classic Freddy the classic. You know? What's his name? Jason. Jason. John fucking blank. Michael Myers, like, those classic horror movies are mild on favorites.
Well, either I don't think that they did a bad job with it. I think it's one of the better like, you know, remakes of horror movies.
It was good. No, I'm not shitting on it at all. I just really think like, you can't top those classic ones. Yeah, because like, the 70s was like such a prime time for horror movies. And it was very much like psycho esque like stabbings. Like and that shit was it's creepy. had people freak the fuck out.
I mean, yeah, it's terrifying. Just think of like a person like fuckin stalking you and like, wanting to kill you for like, like Jamie Lee Curtis is character for like, however long it's been what
a fucking two years What a fucking queen. Yeah. Um, and like, you know, people watch those movies and they're like, Bitch, like you. She'll be running and screaming and he'll just be walking. Yeah. And it's like, Yes, this is cheesy, but at the same time, it's so fucking good. It's just classic film. And
I mean, Halloween, like the original is one that I watch every single October. Absolutely. I count on it.
Very good. So I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited for spooky season. It's not even fucking June yet. Yeah. I was already like, you know how like, there's those tick tock accounts that like, primarily focus on like, a certain holiday. Yeah, like Christmas. And I was like scrolling the other day and a Halloween one came up and I was like, Oh, my God. Don't Don't get me high.
No, it's like the best time of year for sure. Truly, especially at your house. Try a vibe and try. Anyway, it'll be a little bit more
this year, but you have a tub full of decorations.
And we're like two or three. You don't? Well, I mean, like, because we had just moved down like not that long before Halloween. So
we had a very good spooky season. We did we like we were just launching the podcast, we did that research for the black sisters. And that that day that we went out to research was like very much like a spooky season. Very much like the it was grimy outside. It was windy. It was cold, like not COVID Just like chilly enough to set the vibe. And that was a fun day. It was I thoroughly enjoyed that.
I think we should do more.
I think we should do Absolutely. We'll just have to think and come up with something really really good
places. I have some some places in mind. But
we you know what? We should do our own paranormal investigation and talk about it on the show. Oh, my God. Yeah, like that one place that you went to? Like four hours away not to go for hours.
We could go to like Lake Shawnee.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, do something like that. And like vlog it. Anyways, or giving away ideas. Yeah. So but how are you those this?
I'm feeling a little like mentally exhausted right now. I have like a lot of shit to do. But one thing at a time.
That's all you can do. Yeah, one thing at a time. Yeah. Take it easy.
I'm not trying to stress it. I guess. There's no point. But I am leaving for the Dominican Republic in like two weeks. Yeah,
that's exciting, is I'm leaving for Florida and 27 days.
27 day. See, I didn't even know that we were leaving.
But it just like surprised you. Well, yeah. Like
Schuyler mom had just told him like yesterday, and or not yesterday, but the day before. And like he didn't tell me. And then she brought it up when we went to dinner. And I was like, What are you talking about?
Oh, we're going to the Dominican Republic.
I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot to tell you. I was like, Okay, thanks.
How do you forget something like that? Like, by the way, we're flying out in two weeks, we're going on a really fun vacation.
Right? And the resort that we're going to was actually built in 2019. And right before, like, right before the pandemic and then it like, shut down. So it wasn't able to like run at all for like that year. So it's basically like brand new. That's exciting. So I am, I'm excited. I've never been out of the country.
Really, really. You strike me as the type. I've been out of the country.
I was supposed to go to Europe, like in 2020. But they obviously I couldn't go because of the pandemic. And all the other countries were like shut down and like we couldn't leave so
I don't have the balls to go out of the country right now. I don't really have the balls to get on a plane. I really don't. I'm fucking scared. vich like my anxiety in a car. Imagine it on a plane. I just don't think I think we'd really have to pump me in trouble. Is it veinous intervene me, intravenous, whatever the fuck. Whatever medical term you want to use, it would have to go straight into my veins and Knock me the fuck out. I'd have to have like an IV back so anyways,
anyway, yeah, this one this, you know, Episode My run into two.
Yeah might be part of possibly be a two parter because I think they're you told me yesterday that was like 2725 25 playmates that have died in tragic, mysterious ways. And I just want to say under the age of 40, you might add, which is really sad. Yeah, really sad. And I just want to, I'm gonna give individual trigger warnings when I get into my part for each person that I'm going to talk about. But before I do that, let me just give a formal trigger warning in case you don't want to go past this part. I would click off here because there is going to be there's a trigger warning for murder, suicide. death of a child mental health disorders. It's a lot dark shit, gruesome, gruesome, dark shit. So let me just go ahead and put that on the record that like if you do not want to hear about those things, if it's triggering to you, I would click off at this point, or maybe after Hannah gives her her spill on the history of Playboy. So anyways, but I will give individual trigger warnings to let you know before I started speaking of these women,
yeah, it's so sad. Like, when you told me about it, like I read some of the girls who had passed away, and some of them were just like, it's dark. Can you believe that? Like some body like a person would actually do that to another human being like, it's unimaginable
in not only like, the way the way these women died, we have one woman in particular who didn't really die in like a mysterious way. But like, she had some odd shit going on after her time with Playboy. Yeah, like, there's just a lot of like, mental stuff that went on with these women also, that's like, hard to explain. And so I think that's why it's been deemed a curse because a lot of these well known women that were with the Playboy industry just just really fell into some dark shit. Yeah.
And I will say that, like, Playboy has definitely like, a complex, a complex like, legacy. Because while Hugh Hefner did do some good things, there were also some, there was some really bad shit, that that went on, like, during that time of his empire, like, all throughout the decades, yeah, up until his death. And then after he died, like women started speaking out, because when he was alive, that man was so powerful that he had everybody in his pocket. Yeah, of course.
Yeah. He was not a great person. No, he was not at all. And, you know, I want to just say, before we get into, into all of this, a lot of playmates, centerfolds, whatever you want to call them. They were they were treated as if they were worse. What is what you're going to find out in a lot of these playmates that we're going to talk about, but you have to understand that this was their job. These women had ambitions and dreams that were greater than playboy. They they were good women, good, strong women. But this was this was a part of their journey. I mean, they pose nude. Yes, but that was their job. Yeah. And
maybe they weren't, like treated like a horde, by Hugh Hefner. But like the men around them in their lives treat and the
people, the men that went purchase these magazines. Yeah, they didn't get the respect they deserve because they posed in provocative manners. Exactly. And you got to think about a lot of these names. Were very early on in the Playboy career, which like 5060s, but we also have some that died recently. So it's, it's it's sad, this whole this whole curse, if you will. It's very just dark and sad. So
yeah. So of course, I have I had to do the research on the history of Playboy because that's,
that's all you right. That's what I do for it. So tell us about it.
So first, I'm going to start off with Hugh Hefner and his like biography, so he was born on April 9 1926, in Chicago to Glen Lucius Hefner. He was an accountant and Grace Caroline Swanson, and she was a teacher. His parents are from Nebraska and he described them as conservative Midwestern, Methodist, so yummy. Hefner, he would attend. Steinmetz High School. And following his high school graduation, he enlisted into the US Army from 1944 to 1946, and was a writer for a military newspaper. After serving in the military, he graduated from the University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign in 1949, with a BA in psychology and a double minor in creative writing and art. And he earned his degree in only two and a half years, which was a very intelligent ratable. Yeah, like that is hard as fuck. Yeah,
it sounds like it.
Um, Hefner would actually marry a woman named Mildred. They called her Millie Williams in 1949. Love that, Millie. That's so cute. Like Millie Bobby Brown? Yeah, we love Yeah. And they had a daughter, Christie, and she was born in 1952, a son named David and 1955. before their wedding, Millie would actually confess that she had an affair while he was away in the army. And he called this admission, the most devastating moment of his life. So and then Hefner also revealed that she allowed him to have sex with other women out of guilt for her own infidelity, and with the hope that it would preserve their marriage. But the couple would ultimately end up divorcing in 1959.
That's probably the best thing for her. Yeah. And,
you know, I don't know how much I believe, you know, regarding you have now with everything that we know now. Like, he would like she would allow him to have sex with other women. I mean, I can see it, but But as
we've learned here on the PBP, most recently, everybody's relationships were much differently than I had ever expected.
Possible. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying that he was
obviously a very promiscuous man anyway. Yeah. So yeah.
So as we like moved into the 1950s. conservatism, and heterosexual monogamy dominated American society, per usual. And, however, we will begin to see a cultural shift where non traditional sexual behavior like STIs, teen pregnancy and having babies outside of marriage rose considerably and in essence, it began sexual revolution. Thus, Hefner wanted to push that envelope on this and disrupt the grip. That domesticity had on American culture, where he published and then he published a very progressive softcore porn magazine, titled Playboy, the infamous the infamous, notorious
the what we all know very well today, which I've always said, I would love love, love to collect old Playboy magazines. Yeah, I would love that. Just because you think about like, back then men did not have Pornhub. Like, you didn't have your cell phone and like pull up your browser and watch sex like, this was all they had was these these naked women. But I think there's also something so Intriguingly, like, beautiful of these women in these magazines. I think I think it's very much like a sign of empowerment, sexual empowerment for women during a time like that. Yeah. So I would love to have a collection of them.
Well, the crazy thing is, is that like, even though it was basically a magazine, for women like to show women off their bodies, the articles and the interviews in it were incredible. Wow. Yeah, absolutely incredible. And I'm going to get into that here in just a second. But, you know, it was a running joke that people bought Playboy for the articles.
Right. But
despite that, I mean, the articles were amazing. Yeah. Um, so the first issue of Playboy emerged in December of 1953. And of course, Marilyn Monroe, was on the cover. Monroe she actually didn't pose for the magazine she was not asked to pose for it. She posed new For a photographer named Tom Kelly out of desperation because she was a struggling actress at the time, and she was paid $50, which is now $600. In flay chelation, Jesus Christ, and Hefner bought the rights to the photos for $600 from a calendar company in 1953.
And a lot of people are gonna think like, what like, how did How the fuck can you do that? There's no laws on that back then. Yeah, there was no like, if you had the money for the photos, they were yours. Yeah, so
And Marilyn, unfortunately, never saw a dime from these pictures. And she even told a close friend that she had to buy a copy of the magazine to see yourself in it, which is fucking bullshit. Which
they were sold. The first coffee was sold for 50 cents. Yeah. And the the, when you bought the magazine, there was a promise of one full colored nude photo of Marilyn. Yeah. And
like, I read that all of the issues sold out. Lately, like could you imagine are 55,000 copies and they it was all sold out?
I mean, this was the first magazine to do it. Like this. Was it? Like can you imagine the height for men? Like there? Were probably like, I've got to get to the store. Right now. Before it sells out. Take my Have you seen that? Where they're like slamming their credit card? Like yes, I was living there. Early. So yeah, that was probably huge. Yeah,
I mean, could Marilyn Monroe like on the cover sex goddess but like again, half nerd exploited her for his empire pretty much. What
was it the cover a photo of her just like sitting on an elephant? Yeah, it was a very tasteful photo. But it was inside of the magazine where you got the more provocative one right my
right. And I felt like he did that with most of
his keep it classy. The the juices on the inside? Yeah.
So um, Monroe wit honestly. She would honestly Minh Jesus, Monroe would tragically die on August 4 1960 To have an overdose at her home in Brentwood. A lot of people have conspiracies around that. But I'm going to say what law enforcement has
like it into the conspiracies on my end,
because I mean, you know how sometimes the police were corrupt back then for sure. And her death would actually start a phenomenon that became known as the centerfold curse that involves multiple Playboy playmates that have all died under the age of 40 years old,
and then Thus was born the PvP episode of the centerfold curse. Yes.
Yes, here we are. So, um, as a result of Marilyn being the first on Playboy magazine, it started a global empire and became one of the most recognizable and influential brands in the world today. Like, if you ask somebody, if you go up and show them the logo, they're gonna fucking know
exactly what it is. Can we talk about how we would put tanning stickers of the Playboy bunny on our hips?
Oh my god, I totally forgot you just unlocked like a memory memory.
mean I'm gonna be honest, I'm this is not good. But I've always been a tanning bed whore. I love the tanning bed. And I just remember back in high school, putting that Playboy bunny on my hip. And like it was like the trashiest thing ever, but honestly, I think I'm bringing I'm gonna bring it back.
Okay, so I like never did that. Like because I was like, No,
it was not a very tasteful thing. But I mean, it was I mean, it was very common. Yeah. Example. Like, you would go to the front desk and check in and they'd have the will of stickers. It was like a dolphin, a butterfly, a heart and a playboy. Yeah,
I would always get the heart. Yeah, I
did the heart to like, I was like, let me be just a little bit on the edge of this Playboy Bunny. And so yeah, are we afraid
that like the person at the front desk would judge me? Like for real? Yeah, I'm not even done locking some memories for Yeah, holy shit. Wow. Okay. But Hefner's historical impact is a very complex one. He was a very outspoken advocate during the Civil Rights Movement, which is phenomenal. Give him an A plus for that. Yeah. And other causes, like same sex marriage like marriage equality, abortion rights and the First Amendment.
Big Dick energy. Yeah. To an extent
coal ash. It's questionable. And he had a lot of famous and like divisive authors that he gave platforms to to publish their work and if it wasn't for him, then some of the books that are very popular and famous today, we may never we may have never known about them. Vladimir Nabokov, who wrote Lolita great book, James Baldwin, who wrote go tell it on the mountain and Giovanni's Room. It's about like homosexuality and all that also Shirley Jackson, Frank Herbert, who wrote Dune, Philip dick, who wrote Man in the High Castle, which is one of my favorite books of all time. And actually, Ray Bradbury's famous novel novel and novel was Fahrenheit four or five one about, you know, the burning of books was serialized in the magazine, and he gave it the exposure it needed to become one of the most influential books ever. Wow. So it might not have ever made it to the shelf and people might not ever have known about it if it wasn't for Playboy. Wow. So I thought that was really crazy. He also had some like, very iconic interviews in the magazines like people, you know, again, we joke about a lot you get a playboy for the magazines for the interviews, but But literally, I mean, these people missed out on like, some great shit like Alex Haley, who wrote roots, one of the most influential like, historical fiction books of all time, he interviewed fucking Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X. Wow, for did not know the magazine. And it's funny because Martin Luther King, Jr. Called Playboy counterproductive for like, the movement or whatever, wow, yeah. And he actually had Hunter S. Thompson and Gabriel Garcia market, like so like Margaret Atwood also, like, so many fucking people. Like, I really just want to read. I want to get a magazine like one of the magazines just to fucking read the army base. Yeah, I've looked, they're probably like, expensive. Well,
I would say probably the more iconic ones, but you could actually looked and you can actually get like a pack of like, the older ones for like 20 bucks. And
it's not bad. No. Okay. However, though, I guess we got to talk about the bad stuff.
Yes, yes. He was not all good. And he was not.
And, you know, while I think all of that is phenomenal, and very progressive of him, I think you can be a misogynist you can be a shitty person and still do good thing. Right? You know, because, I mean, there's a lot of historical figures that were that were champions of that those type of things and then weren't very good people underneath
in their personal lives. Yeah.
Now, there are women who have been speaking out and they have alleged that he did a lot of bad things like forced them to do a lot of bad shit. Um, they allege that he urged them to take qualia foods, which is it was a recreational drug, like a club drug, kind of, like, you know, Molly and shit. Now, during the 1960s, which they commonly called thigh openers. Who Yeah, I've heard that, um, he so he could have orgies with these women,
which is just so disgusting. Like, you know, if you are having orgies with these women, that's one thing if they're consenting to that, right. But if you're drugging them that is just dark, right?
And not only that, but he also refused to wear protection. Gross. Yeah. Like at
that is so nasty.
And he also filmed a lot of these women without their consent, like he had. He even like admitted on an interview or something that he had like cameras and shit and like, bedroom, like in their bedrooms and everything. It was weird. Like, people didn't think that was weird back in like the 70s.
Yeah, you got to think like a lot of these things. Were just like, normal. Yeah, back then. Yeah.
Um, and he also had a very close relationship with Bill Cosby. Really, they were like, like that. I like best friends very, very close. And they also, were both slapped with a sexual battery lawsuit in 2008.
That doesn't surprise me. Yeah.
Um, and Hefner would actually die in 2017 on September 28. And at the age of 91, and he's actually buried right next to Marilyn Monroe.
And why is that because he requested to do so.
paid almost 80 grand for the place like the spot right next to her,
which is just so disturbing and sick. Like it's just weird. Like,
I think like, again, we were talking like, I think he had a literal obsession with this woman. He was like, it's symbolic because they were born in the same year, like, Okay, how many other fucking people were born in the same year as you? Yeah, like literally. That I think that's why he had like such an obsession with blondes.
She, she probably kickstarted she was probably the inspiration for all of it. Yeah, for for the tire. Right, right, right. Yeah.
I love that show, though. Honestly, do you remember it? The girl next door? The Playboy Girls Next Door? Yes.
I remember. Yeah. Um,
also, I forgot to mention there is a docu series out on a&e that came out this year called Secret of the secrets of Playboy. And it's 12 episodes, and I'm on like episode four.
What's it on? a&e? Any adult? Yeah,
yeah. Um, I watch it because it is like connected with the History Channel like a History Channel. And a&e are like a part of the same network so and they have like, a bunch of like, playmates, who are who talk about and like Playboy Bunnies, like who worked at the clubs and, like, mention, really bad, like, disturbing things that
happened. I think a lot of them had very disturbing experience Rama,
like, it was so much trauma, like the shit that I like, they would say that would happen to them. And like happened to the girls like, the girls that they worked with. disturbing stuff like, SA and the R word. Yeah. Um, and they would like, I don't, they would sodomized them instead of like, you know, actually like vaginally penetrate because they didn't want to get them pregnant. is so sick. Yeah, it like makes me feel bad, like cringe like I just, I just want to shrivel up into a ball.
It is it's really it's triggering. It's just
Yeah. So there's the brief history of Hugh Hefner, and playboy. Yeah, so
we definitely don't want to idolize him and his this brand by any means. I think it's a very iconic brand. I think in some ways, again, it can be viewed as empowering for women, but there's still a lot of dark, dark tunnels within this whole industry.
Yeah. And again, like Hugh Hefner, y'all have to like, think about he he ran this shit from 1953 Up until his death. Yeah. So decades. Yeah, hon, decades. Yeah.
And he could do what the fuck he wanted. Yeah,
he had a bunch of security guards and shit that were retired LAPD and like Beverly Hills PD, like he just had them in his pocket.
He could bribe anyone was posi Yeah. And
he couldn't like, they couldn't speak out. They couldn't use their voice. Or else they would be shut down immediately by they would I mean, he would probably have them, you know, not kill but like they he would probably have somebody like, shut them up.
Right? Well, because, I mean, again, you know, anybody that was in his inner circle that worked for the industry. He'd be like, you know, this, this one is yours. If you keep your mouth shut about what you see hear about what you hear. He could bribe anyone with a beautiful woman. Yeah. And so and these women, you know, a lot of them this was their sole income. Of course, they're going to comply. Yeah. Or they were threatened into complying. Right.
Right. Because, like, again, I was watching that Docu series and the Playboy Bunnies, like the girls at the club that worked out the clubs. They like if something were to happen to them, like rape or sexual assault or whatever. They weren't. They were not allowed to say anything. Yeah. to anybody, they couldn't go to the police, they couldn't tell their what they call like their house, or like their mother bunny or whatever. That was like the manager, I guess. Or else they would be fired.
It's really sad. But to make like, though, do you remember the house money? Yes, I
love that. Like, again, I think Hefner did do a lot of good things, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, the black community. The Civil Rights Movement gave people a platform to be able to post their work that we might not have ever known about, right, some of the most iconic books of all time. And we might not have ever known about it had it not been for Playboy magazine. But he still exploited women off and was it was misogyny.
It makes you wonder how much of his his work was credible. Yeah. And in the civil rights movement,
right, because he only had 31 Black Senator folds out of 700, almost 800 playmates, which is questionable,
is very questionable. And you know, as much as we love beautiful white women, we also love beautiful black women like why
why is the ratio Yeah, that doesn't that doesn't make any sense to me.
So I'm gonna get into some of the deaths of these playmates play bunnies. I don't what is the official
the Playboy Bunny ever actually read this? The Playboy Bunny is the the ones that worked at the clubs, okay. The playmates are actually the ones that were on the magazine like the centerfold. Okay,
so the playmates? Yeah, um, we're gonna start off with Marilyn Monroe, Hannah kinda already gave you like, a little bit of an insight into her death. My my notes here aren't going to be much different from that. But trigger warning for her specifically mental health struggles drug abuse.
Yeah. And until like the specifics of her death.
So to kick things off with his wild and crazy curse, if you will, we will begin with Marilyn Monroe. She was born Norma Jeane Mortenson. And you know, when we think Playboy, we think of Maryland's famed appearance on the first cover of Playboy magazine that Hannah just got done telling you about, um, and again, on the contrary to what most people think, and Marilyn never actually posed for the magazine at all. And again, like Hannah said, Hugh Hefner purchased the photos for a reported $500 That's crazy. Yeah. And she had actually posed for these photos, because she needed to make a car payment. And she was she again, she made $50 off of those photos. And just to reiterate what Hannah said she never made a dime off of the cover, which is so fucking crazy to me like you sell 50,000 coffees and you never gave this woman her bread? Yeah, like that. That was her body
I mean, exploitative as fuck.
It's It's It's crazy how like
how exploited these women were back back then. It is. And I say back then, which wasn't that long ago, of course. But back you know, during those, like those times where they weren't, they were only seen as objects.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Again, Playboy hit newsstands for the first time in December 1953. With a price tag of 50 cents, a black and white photograph of a smiling fully Dressman row seating a top of an elephant which this is the photo that we posted on our group. So if you want to look at that, you can check that out there, and a promise to the reader for one full color nude photo of the actress for the first time in any magazine. Unfortunately, Maryland would be the first of many centerfolds who died a tragic and mysterious death, leading to what is known as the Playboy curse the center volt curse however you want to put that. On August 5 1962, Marilyn was found dead in her LA home. She was discovered lying nude in her bed facedown with a telephone in one hand and empty bottles of pills that were prescribed to treat her depression. There was actually a very brief investigation into her death it was not very thorough in my opinion. La police concluded that her death was caused by a self administered overdose of sedative drugs and that the mode of death was probable suicide
Yeah, I saw that it was like 40 pills that she liked him I was like how Yeah, how can you how can one person can seem like 40 pill if you
I'm not again I'm not going to go into like all the ins and outs because this is not a true crime episode, but if you actually read into her death there's some wild and weird shit that went down prior to her body being found. The reason she was holding the phone she had called somebody Was it her manager or something and said that, like this is the end or something, something wild and crazy. She said something kind of eerie. I'm not sure I didn't make notes of that because I didn't want it we would literally be here for four hours.
Yeah, what are you talking about? Conspiracies around?
Yes, all day. Um, while Maryland did have a history of mental health struggles, there's a lot of uncertainty and conspiracies around her death. One of them one of the more famous conspiracies around her death was that she was murdered by John and or Robert Kennedy, with whom she allegedly had love affairs. These theories claimed that the Kennedys killed her or had her killed because they feared she would leak the affairs and other government secrets she was collecting to the public. On August 4 1962, Robert Kennedy, then Attorney General in his older brother's cabinet, was in fact in Los Angeles. Two decades after the fact Monroe's housekeeper Eunice Murray, announced that for the first time announced for the first time that the Attorney General had visited Maryland on the night of her death, and quarreled with her, but the reliability of these and other statements made by Marie are questionable.
Yeah. Do you think she like said that just to, like, get attention? Or what do you think?
Who knows? I? I mean, I think we all are aware that Maryland did have relations, sexual relations with you know, Robert, John, with JFK, JFK. So I don't know. I mean, you know, going off of her word alone, you can't really do that. But at the same time, this woman was living in Maryland's home. And if she wasn't getting any compensation, compensation for those statements, why else would she say it? You know, like, because I'm sure at the time she's like, Oh, my God, like, I'm like, sworn to secrecy here. Like, I'm not going to come out with this. But years later after the Kennedy presidency is over with I can see why she would then come out with it.
Yeah. And like, you would think she would be up either way. She would be terrified of somebody coming after her regard. Yes. Yeah. I mean, the Kennedy clan runs fucking Deeps.
Absolutely. So yeah, that is just the beginning to these you know, strange and just horrible deaths. And again, these all very much just might be a coincidence. I don't know. But it just seems so odd. Yeah, that these these women died in these ways. Yeah, for sure. Um, next up on the list, we have Jane Mansfield, I don't really have a specific trigger warning for her because it's not that terrible, but it's also a tragic death. If that makes sense. Like it's not like she died in a car crash. But anyways, so we have Jane Mansfield she was a young Texas girl with big dreams born Vera Jane Palmer, she grew up in Dallas, Texas, idolizing 1940 act 1940s Actresses such as Shirley Temple. At age 17, she married Paul Mansfield, six months before the birth of their daughter, Jane Marie Mansfield. While attending the University of Texas to study drama, she held a number of odd jobs including one is a nude art model, which is crazy to think that they had
interesting
those jobs back then. Yeah, um, during this time, she found herself among the early issues of Playboy alongside Marilyn Monroe and Betty page. In February of 1955. She was Playboy's Playmate of the month this would increase not only the mag magazine circulation, but also her career prospects eventually earning her the lead in the girl can't help it, which outperformed Monroe's Gentlemen Prefer Blondes at the box office.
Girl Okay, help it girl. Good
luck. So just a little bit she was she was very successful. Yeah, and Mary a very been different ways. During all of that success, she divorced her first husband and met actor Mickey Hart Hargitay who she married in 1958. The couple had three children, including law and order actress, Mariska Hargitay.
Oh, yeah, I've heard about that. Yes, because Wasn't she in the car accident
she was she was okay. Despite her success, Mansfield was often cast typed as a dumb blonde or a threat to other women in their marriages. This is a persona that followed her into her off screen life, which I think is what I was saying earlier. You know, these Playboy models playmates they They, they did have this reputation. And I don't think that's fair, but I think that's something that never changed either. You know, people who do sex work people who do porn. That's the only thing people see about them. Yeah. And
it's like, why aren't you blaming your husband for paying for your this girl's only fans,
right? Yeah, like your husband's vague statements sweetie. It's not their fault like what? Um, sadly, Mansfield life was cut short at 34 when she died in a tragic car accident in the outer swamps of New Orleans. The actress along with her boyfriend and their driver did not survive while her three children in the backseat were luckily unharmed. So I couldn't find anything specifically that there was like a lot of conspiracies around that like you. It's a car crash. I mean, that's, you know, I think the only famous car crash that has a lot of conspiracies around it would be Princess Diana. Right? That is very much questionable. But with Jane Mansfield, I couldn't really find that there was like somebody like wanting her dead or you know, any odd findings in the investigation of the crash
plus I can see like it happening in New Orleans because there are a lot of roads like that that you can't even see. Yeah. When it's swampy and foggy and all that,
but it falls into this curse because again, tragic, and under the age of 40 just short lived life. Um, Jimmy just jump into the next one. Yeah. Okay. So the next one we have is Betty page trigger warning with her mental health struggles very, very mentally ill woman Bettie Page would probably after doing my research, she would probably be my favorite playmate because she was the queen of pinup and her photos are just very have that 50s pinup classic beauty look to them. She was she was stunning. And she her life didn't exactly end in a mysterious death. However, her life after Playboy fame was less than a good one. After disappearing from the spotlight in 1957 Betty pages later, life was shrouded in mystery, but she resurfaced later in a series of violence scandals, which these are again, this is very strong mental health issues very. I'm born April 22 1923, in Nashville, Tennessee, but he was the second child of Walter Roy Paige and Edna Mae Pirtle six children. During Betty's early years, her family traveled around the country in search of economic stability. At a tender age, Betty had to face the responsibilities of caring for her younger siblings as well as helping her mother with the house chores. As a teenager, Betty and her sister spent countless hours trying different makeup styles and hairdos imitating their favorite movie stars. At the local community centers, Betty learned to cook and so the ladder and a skill, a skill that proved particularly useful years later when Betty made her own bikinis and costumes. Cool. Yeah. So she was a very talented woman all around. And again, that just goes to show like these women weren't just Playboy models. They were real women with real dreams, real skills, real talent, real problem, real problems. In February 1943, Betty married her boyfriend of two years, Billy nil After earning her Bachelor of Arts degree from Peabody College, but he uses it for real.
Real, is it? I think so. Which Vanderbilt's very prestigious school you would
No, not me. It sounds right. Sounds good. Betty moved to San Francisco to be with Billy. It was in San Francisco that Betty got her first modeling job at a local furrier Fourier. I don't know. We're Betty Mott. Okay, okay. We're Betty modeled for coats for clients. So, in November 1947, Betty filed for divorce from Billy and moved to New York. In 1950. During a walk along the Coney Island shore, Betty met Jerry Tibbs, a police officer with an interest in interest in photography. Tibbs took pictures of Betty and put together her first pinup portfolio.
Okay. We love a supportive ovoid zoo
we do. Little did Betty know how much her life was about to change. Tibbs introduced Betty to numerous other photographers, including Cass Carr, who organized outdoor photograph photographic sessions, which Betty intensely enjoyed. And a matter of months, Betty's modeling career had taken off. Camera clubs led to posing for various magazines such as wink. I fold titter and beauty parade. But it wasn't up and it wasn't until her photographs were published in Robert Harrison's magazines that Betty became a pinup star beyond comparison. In 1955, Betty won the title Miss pinup girl of the world. She was the centerfold in playboys, January issue in January 1955. So this is where her Playboy career comes into play. She was even named the girl with the perfect figure, which I just want to say. If you look at Betty pages figure, I'm gonna look her up Marilyn Monroe's figure, it's very much natural, normal, curvy bodies. And they were deemed the perfect figure. So ladies, compare yourself to these Playboy models. Don't compare yourself to these Instagram models, because they were all about natural beauty then then, yeah, then I know. But like,
apparently, also, when I was watching this documentary, they would be forced to be weighed at the clubs, if you like, and they were those like corset tops, you know, and they had like those metal rods in them. And if you gained five pounds, it would like you wouldn't be able to like breathe in them, and they would like they would weigh you on a scale in front of everybody.
Gross. Yeah. And when Betty may page retired at the height of her fame in 1957, she went under the radar for decades, three decades to be exact. At the time, Betty's many fans wondered where she had gone with Penthouse magazine going as far as to offer $1,000 reward for anyone who could prove whether she was alive and provide information about her whereabouts. All the while Betty was fighting a battle with mental illness set against the backdrop of a culture that wasn't very in tune with its prevalence. And the 1970s Betty's third and final husband Harry Lear alleged that alleged the retired performer had several violent outbursts so this is where it gets kind of weird. This is where it kind of falls into that curse category. Lear accused Betty of shouting about the retributions of God while waiting 22 colorable piste words 22 caliber pistol around a ministry retreat in Boca Raton, Florida in January of 1972. According to a Time magazine article. Three months later in April, Lear accused Betty of forcing him and his two children to pray before a portrait of Jesus while she held a knife. Charged with breach of the peace Betty was confined in Jackson Memorial Hospital for four months. At another point in that particularly tumultuous year, Betty was also charged with two counts of assault with a deadly weapon. After being accused of attacking her landlord with a knife she was found not guilty by reason of insanity. And Betty letter Betty later recommitted herself in October of that same year for six months more. She's She was reportedly under suicide watch at that time, she would be confined again in 1980. sentenced to five years at Patton State Hospital. She was accused of attacking and attacking another landlord in 1982, and would stay at Patton State Hospital hospital for the next 10 years until 1992. And in other words, don't go asking Betty for her rent. Don't go knocking for the champagne. Betty died in 2008 at the age of 85, after a three week hospital stay related to pneumonia before suffering a heart attack and slipping into a coma. Well, um, so the death was very much I think, natural causes but her life after the her Playboy fame was very dark and odd. Schizophrenia. Yes. I think you had mentioned that there was she may have been schizophrenic.
Yeah. Well, I mean, like a lot of people who are diagnosed will not a lot of people. I don't know how many people but some people who are diagnosed with schizophrenia start seeing like religious figures, and I believe that they're religious figures and yeah, you know, all that stuff.
Yeah. And it just makes you wonder, like, were these mental health issues? Because of Playboy like did because of her career? Yes.
And maybe she is like, maybe her being in that like something happened with her. Like, bad. It's
just it's all very much questionable. Like is actually none of these women deserved the way that they died. I mean, it gets It gets worse. Honestly, it really does. So anyway, Dorothy Stratten This is a very famous name. She was a very, very well known centerfold for Playboy. Trigger warning, big time. Okay. Murder and mutilation sex with a corpse and abuse. Trigger warning. I'm so sorry. i This is a sad story. This is this is rough. So with that being said Dorothy Stratten easily gets the top spot on this list for tragic Ways to Die. Dorothy Ruth hooks Hoogstraten. She later changed that to Stratton shorten that, yeah, Dorothy Ruth Hoogstraten was only 17 When she sent in nude photos to Playboy magazine with the help of a 26 year old club promoter and literal pimp Paul Schneider. So these photos were accepted by Hugh Hefner in the Playboy industry when she was only 17. So another red flag for Hugh Hefner. Though she was under age The two met while Stratton was working part time at a Dairy Queen in Vancouver, and they quickly fell into a romance much to Stratton's mother's disapproval. In two years time, Stratton already moved out to Los Angeles with Snyder and was working as a bunny at the Century City Playboy Club with her surname shortened to Stratton. After finding success, success in television and filming her first and only major film titled they all laughed, Stratton began an affair with the movie's director Peter Bogdanovich. That's a very tough name to pronounce. It's B OGDANOV. Ich. So, Peter Bogdanovich forgive me if I'm saying that incorrectly. By then several people, including Hugh Hefner, himself, or warning Stratton about her relationship with Schneider saying that he was a hustler and a pimp. Schneider, though wasn't going to let Stratton go without a fight. He hired a private investigator to follow her. And on August 14 1980, when the to arrange to meet at Snyder's House to talk about a divorce, which, by the way, I had actually listened to a podcast episode about Dorothy Stratten. She she had filed for divorce with this gentleman, and, you know, everybody was warning her he was asking her like, hey, like, come over. Let's talk about our divorce. Like, I want to be with you. I'm sorry. And everybody was like, Don't do it. Like this is not a good guy and Dorothy being the kind woman that she was, was like, It's okay, like, let me just go. Oh, my God. Let me just go hear him out. So it's really sad. So, starters wants to talk about this divorce. But he decided to take it into his hands that no one was ever going to follow her anymore. He shot Stratton in the face tied her lifeless body to a love contraption. had sex with her body for a half hour or so and then committed suicide. Snyder's roommates discovered both of them lying nude on the floor with ants swarming their bodies. Yeah. Stratton was only 20. And there's actually movies that's been made. Regarding her life, death of a centerfold and star ad. This girl really did deserve more.
I'm sorry, but why would you make a movie?
Same reason is a lot of people make documentaries and movies about terrible murders, I guess. I don't know.
I know. But what good does it do?
I can imagine how painful it is for the families.
How? How can you do that tastefully? You know? And I mean,
you can you can, but I'm gonna watch it every single time. Okay, you know, I mean, I love a good True Crime movie. I can't help it. Let me just say this is totally off subject. But I watched abducted in plain sight yesterday. Yeah, for the first time and what the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck? That's all I can say. I think we should dedicate a whole episode to that at some point.
Okay, I haven't watched it. I don't I don't plan on watching it because like I've mentioned before, as long as I don't like listen or watch anything true crime like my like, my mental health is so much better
bitch. These were the most ignorant parents of all time. This one? I don't know. I don't want to say I don't I don't wanna say watch it if it triggers you, but it's really not like,
yeah, no, they were like really close friends with this guy and like he kind of had like a fascination with one of their daughters and something like that.
Bitch it It's I don't even I don't even have the words. I don't mean to get off topic but I'm like, holy shit. If you ever decide that you could mentally handle it, please do so I would just love to talk to you about it. And
I'll read about it but I'm not watching it.
It's wild. Anyways, um, but with Dorothy Stratten if you if you really dive deep into her death, there are so many friends and family that just have nothing but like the best things to say about her.
That makes me like, it makes me sick. It's sad thinking about it's really sad, disturbing incident that like some person with like, like would go to such lengths to do that to another human being
disgusting. It's just horrible.
And who would call him a hustler and a pant. Yanni you call yourself a playboy? What the fuck bragging about you
she had a lot of there was a lot of people outside, you know, in her inner circle that really saw the red flags of this man, abusive, abusive, more mentally abusive. Yeah. But yeah, it's just disgusting. It's horrible. Like I'm nauseous. The next one is a very well known name. I'm sure all of our listeners are going to know who this is and trigger warning with this particular woman drug abuse as the main one mental health issues. I'm Anna Nicole Smith. Before I get into her story, can we talk about her interview with what's his face? Oh my god. I'm going to I'm going to draw a blank. He does a radio show. Very famous antichrist. No. Hold on, hold on.
Oh, Howard Stern.
Howard Stern. Have you seen that? Where he like looks at her and is like you've gotten fat. It is the most discussed Howard
Stern is a thug an asshole anyway? Yes. Yes. Horrible.
Like it's the saddest thing I've ever seen. If you've never watched it, you should go check it out. It's just
gotten uglier. And she
started crying and walked off set like it was just, it's horrible.
I mean, I'll fucking blame her like,
in this was in the midst of her like, you know, mental health issues and like drug abuse. This is something that you're gonna bring up right now. Well, I don't know, man. Just don't give a fuck. No, they don't. So Anna Nicole Smith was born Vicki Lynn Marshall in 1967. The Texas native dropped out of high school to marry at the age of 17 and gave birth to her only son Daniel, who died of a drug overdose in 2006 at the age of only 20. Yeah, she was a formal former guest model. Smith became an American sex symbol in 1992 when she was chosen to appear on the cover of Playboy after Melling in her nude photos of herself, which led to a lucrative modeling career and a short lived reality series. She achieved notoriety in 1994 with her marriage to a nine year old. And Nicole Smith is like the epitome of get your bag six. Because I think we are all very aware of those famous photos of her wedding with this older gentleman. He was like, on his deathbed in his wheelchair and Anna standing there in her wedding gown. About to get my bed. He's got like a solid two weeks left. Yes, he she married a 90 year old Jay Howard Marshall, who passed away just over a year after the couple said their vows. Smith famously battled Marshalls family for control over the oil tycoons billions. Period. Period. The widow proceeded to have flings with Frederick Gaye Prinz von halt. Her former bodyguard and Mark Hollywood Hatton. While her professional life appeared to be on the rise, Smith experienced both joy and tragedy in her personal life. She announced that she was pregnant during the summer of 2006 and gave birth to a daughter on September 7 2006, at a hospital in Nassau, Bahamas. She named her child Daniel Lin, and was thrilled to be a mother again. But her happiness was short lived when her again 20 year old son Daniel died only three days later from the drug overdose
item and it says on here that she has a daughter.
I just want to said oh, yeah, yeah, she she gave birth three days before her son died.
I thought you said she only had one child.
Miss type and the notes Oh, sorry. But yeah, she she did. She had a daughter in 2006 and that was three days before her son died. He completely changed her name. Weird Oh yeah. Vicki Lynn Marshall to Anna Nicole Smith. Yeah.
No, no, her daughter changed her name.
Oh, I don't know that. I didn't know that I
didn't have no Yeah. Danny Lynn hope Marshall Birkhead, and she was born Hannah rose Marshall Sturm. Wow. Yeah. She's 15.
She's 50 now. Oh, yeah. She was wondering to a 15 year old she was born in 2006. I'm shook, I'm sure. So regarding Daniels apparent drug overdose, Later reports indicated that the interaction of methadone and two different types of antidepressants may have caused his death. And, of course, and Nicole Smith never truly recovered from the loss. Smith found herself in the middle of a media frenzy with reports on her son's death appearing on entertainment news programs on almost a daily basis. Like could you imagine like your son just died of an overdose and it's in your face every day on these fucking news? Entertainment Tonight? Talk Shows like Come the fuck on. Yeah, and that should still goes on today with celebrities. Yeah,
does 100% Because people don't see drug addiction as a mental illness. They see it. They see it as like, Oh, well. They could have done this, this and this different when that's not always the fucking cake. Right?
It's so sad. She also became embroiled in a paternity lawsuit regarding her daughter. Her ex boyfriend photographer Larry Birkhead claimed to be Danny Lynn's father. Smith stated that her attorney Howard Kaye Stern was the child's father and he listed on the child's and he is listed on the child's birth certificate. In the midst of all this heartbreak and legal battles, Smith and stern held a small commitment ceremony after which they ate fried chicken and drink champagne, which I'm pretty sure there's some famous photos of that also. While the event symbolizes their devotion to each other, it was not legally binding. Smith died on February 8 2007, at the age of 39. After being found unconscious in her hotel room at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood, Florida. Smith made headlines around the world as a tribute Playboy magazine founder Hefner has told the press at the time she was a very dear friend who meant a great deal to playboy. And to me personally, there was speculation over the cause of the reality star's death with authorities eventually announcing that it was an accidental drug overdose. Smith had been taking nine different kinds of medication in the days before her death. Starting to others were later found guilty of crimes associated with her death. All of these convictions were thrown out in 2011. Except for a misdemeanor against Smith psychiatrist. So there's a lot of questions with Anna Nicole Smith data.
That's wild though, because like, you know, she was taking all these like, medications like eight, you said, nine?
Yeah, nine were found,
um, Heath Ledger was doing the exact same thing. And that's how he ended up.
It's just and again, I mean, you know, if you find that many different types of medications in someone's system, okay, yes, it appears to be a drug overdose.
Yeah, I wouldn't think like, necessarily that there's a conspiracy behind that, you know, because A, doesn't seem like, you know, it seems like enough to kill you. But like, like, if it's excessive, like 40 Fucking pills like Marilyn Monroe. That's questionable.
It is. And I think it's, I don't I couldn't find exactly what they were charged with in the early investigation of her death. So it does leave some like, questions. Yeah, like, yeah. And again, yet another tragic death of a playmate. It's just
an want, like, probably like one of the most well known ones. Yes. In the modern like modern time.
Yes. And Nicole Smith is very much a very famous name.
So like, I didn't know, like a whole lot about her. Like, I remember when she died.
I just remember her reality shows. Yeah, I remember seeing those on the TV.
See, I didn't I didn't remember. Like, anything involving her. But I do remember the name. You know? Yeah, of
course. Everybody knows the name. Yeah. So I have three playmates left to talk about on this episode. And again, there is a lot more. Yeah, this this is definitely enough to be deemed a curse. Yeah, so I will go through those last three. If you guys want to hear about the rest Um, let us know we will do a part two on this particular episode and fill you in. Because it maybe
we'll go into a little bit more depth since I had to do like a history. Yes. So we
can we can definitely take notes on the investigation of these deaths also because going into the investigation. It's that's where the conspiracy start to come up. Right. The questions start to come up. Yeah. Which we just have a lot of information that we have to get out on this particular episode for it to make sense. So maybe we can dive into that a little bit further in part two. Yeah. The next one I have is Jasmine Fiore. I'm assuming it's pronounced vra. It could be fewer I don't want to mispronounce but I'm taking a guess. Trigger warning with Jasmine would be murder, suicide and domestic violence. Yeah, it's a yet another very dark situation. But Jasmine was known for her looks in various modeling gigs but to close friends and family Jasmine was a small town girl with a love for nature and animals, a strong work ethic and a warm personality. Jasmine was 28 years old. She was from Bonnie doon California where she rode horses and bagged groceries at the local market. People would always say how kind and friendly she was. This was a statement from her family friend Gwendolyn Beauregard. She had a quality that a lot of people don't have in a sincerity about her. She was raised by a single mother. Her parents divorced when she was eight years old. furies decision to leave her hometown where she enjoyed selling boats and riding motorcycles for a modeling career came with some trepidation. She started out nervous and wary of the big city. This came from her this was a statement by her Powell, Lauren Cesaro, whom fury called Uncle Larry. But if you're a went on to book jobs in Las Vegas, where she modeled for a restaurant ads and worked as a swimsuit model, she worked for the Playboy company promoting golf events but never actually posed for the magazine. It was a it was at a Hawaiian Tropic party that she met Ryan Jenkins. 32 years old, a Calgary native who ran a construction company and had been a contestant on to Vh one reality shows Megan wants a millionaire and I love money three. The too soon wed forming a five month union that friends say was volatile and tumultuous. According to Beauregard fury, told her mom she had married Jenkins, a Canadian citizen so she could obtain a green card, which Jasmine said he was very controlling and that the relationship didn't work out. Recalls Beauregard on one occasion if you're as we always former fiance Say that five times fast. The RAS or former fiance Travis Heinrich told people he saw Jenkins who had a history of domestic violence and attended court ordered counseling, punched jasmine in the arm with enough force to push her into a pool. Jenkins was charged with a misdemeanor for the attack on August 15 2009. A nine one call came in to the Buena Park Police Department. The caller said he worked at a nearby apartment complex and that the trash collector had discovered a body in a suitcase in a dumpster. He said that he said the man believed it was the body of a child. The police arrived arrived around 7:30am They flip the lid open to the suitcase and discovered it was not the body of a child but a young woman. She was naked and in the fetal position. The victim was described as being a white female, but maybe Hispanic in her 20s or 30s with dark hair. The hair was very damp. She had been beaten and her face was very swollen her fingertips and teeth had also been removed. Which of course the police I believe that the killer did that so that she would be not so easily identifiable
and they can't do like dental records. Yeah, so
so fucking gross. The police believe that the killer Oh, sorry. I just said that the victim was taken in for an autopsy. The medical examiner said that her cause of death was manual strangulation. Yeah, the victim's fingertips had been removed after she died. They discovered that the victim had breast implants which had a serial number. The police were able to look up the serial number as it came back to a jasmine fewer a
smart
I mean these implants while I think that they are not very smart health wise, but they can identify you if you pass
damn on Monday that
she was killed at the hands of her husband Ryan Jenkins who committed suicide before being charged.
Literally fuck these men honestly. Yeah.
So it seems like a common theme with these deaths. is that these women are coming across these men in this industry? Who were just shitty, terrible people.
Maybe like, I don't mean I don't want to put this like, in a negative light, but maybe these women had like, and these men had insecurities, too. You know what I mean? And shitty people, and they felt the need to like they had to stay with them because nobody else would. Yeah, would, you know, appreciate them. It's
just so gross and like dark and again,
it's disgusting. To me,
and if this is anything, it's very much a dark curse, like a very dark one. Call it what you want, but this is this just horrible.
It's very bad.
Our next playmate, this is very much in the modern times. And I'm just going to forewarn you Now this includes the death of a child and suicide. So trigger warning on those two things. It's it's sad, so it's sad. Especially because, you know, the death of the child was ruled a homicide. Anyways, this was Stephanie Adams. She was born in Orange, New Jersey, and was raised by her aunts Joyce and Pearl. For my former models, who encouraged her to begin modeling at the age of 16. She was African American Caucasian and Cherokee ancestry and claimed to be a direct descendant of President John Adams and John Quincy Adams. Okay. Could be sure. I don't know. He's very much like our history teacher that was like, I am Canada Pocahontas. We were like, Okay. Do you remember her?
Yes, I had her Yes. You do realize that her real name wasn't fucking Pocahontas.
She and she and she told Pocahontas a story and very much like the movie type of story. Pocahontas lived a very tragic life.
Yeah, she was fucking forced to be married to a man at 12 years old.
This teacher also told me that she was like, and I also have a distance relations to Michael Jackson. And I was like, okay,
like her really was fucking matoke Yeah. Not Pocahontas.
It was just a little side story. Stephanie Adams, graduated from Ophelia DeVore School of charm and began his career as a model appearing in photoshoots for 17 Magazine, Venus, swimwear and commercial advertisements for Clairol. She appeared as Miss November 1992 in Playboy magazine while modeling for Wilhelmina, Wilhelm Hamina models the Sheila words. She later moved to Elite Model Management after becoming engaged to its CEO John Casablancas. Okay. Early in her career, Adams was married to an Italian investment banker, but later divorced in February 2003. And February I'm sorry I made these notes on my phone and I have made some typos that appears Adams Okay. In February of 2003, Adams came out as a lesbian. By the words, a long way around. In February 2003. She came out as a lesbian and she was the first playmate to have done so, and there 2004 Best of feature the Village Voice declared her the best lesbian sex symbol, saying it was hard to turn a page in a queer brag without seeing the willowy model peeking out in a bikini or nothing at all. Okay. However, in 2009, Adams announced that she was engaged to marry a man and about the same time described herself in an interview as straight so you're bisexual. So possibly, or she did that as a public flyer? Yeah. One of the blog about your sexuality for fame as for clouds
girls, yeah.
After her marriage in 2010 to Charles V. Nikolai, a Manhattan chiropractor, Adam said Adams that she was retiring from public life and would spend most of her time privately with her husband and son in May 2006, during a dispute over where to drop her off, a New York City taxi driver called the police and falsely reported that Adams was armed with a gun and had threatened to shoot him. The taxi driver's license was subsequently revoked and he was fined $2,700. For the incident. Adams alleged that during the incidents, police threw her to the ground causing injuries to her neck and back. Adams filed a lawsuit against the New York City Police Department in 2006. And in February 2012, a jury awarded her 1.2 million $400,000 More than had been sought out by her lawyer but the judge later reduced it to 300 73,000 Yes, yes, this is true this is true. I'm Adam stated that she had no animosity toward the NYPD. So before I get into her death, the father of her son and her were going through a nasty divorce. So let me just preface this with that. He was threatening to take her son. She was dealing with some mental health struggles, I do believe. So therefore, the father wanted to protect his son. That kind of thing which led to this very sad and very tragic thing that happens next. On the evening of May 17 2018, Adams with her seven year old son Vincent checked into a 25th floor penthouse in Gotham Hotel on 46th Street in Manhattan. The next morning, both were found dead on the second floor balcony and a hotel's rear courtyard. According to law enforcement officials, Adams and her husband were involved in a custody battle and hours before checking into the hotel. Adams told the New York Post that her husband and his lawyer were preventing her from taking her son on vacation. So of course, the New York City medical examiner ruled the death of Stephanie Adams as a suicide and the son is a homicide. So she jumped with her son. So her husband couldn't have him. That is, it sat in you know, it makes you feel like these hard feelings towards her.
I feel I feel more sorrow towards her kid than anything.
Absolutely. Yeah, it it just makes you be like What is you know, like, Oh, my God, like why? That wasn't the answer. But again, you don't get a lot of details into Stephanie Adams is mental health struggles. It didn't really tell me anything about it. I tried searching. So that information wasn't very public, but her divorce was
like her ex when a mention, you know,
and you know, the thing about it is is I don't think he was trying to hurt her. I think he was just wanting her to get help. And
yeah, and like he wanted what he liked with his son. He wanted to get what was rightfully his
right. Yeah. So she did not want her ex husband to have any thing to do with their son. She wanted him to herself and she dumped with her son,
which I mean, again, it's not fair. It's not.
So that one is very, very sad. That one to me is probably the most sad be just because of the child's
awful awful.
So I have one more for this particular episode. Actually Mattingly trigger warning for this particular story apparent suicide. Ashley Mattingly was born on September 10 1986 in Dallas, Texas and grew up in Frisco, Texas. She has a twin brother Billy Mattingly and a sister Christie Mattingly, Denise Ashley and Billy graduated from the local Frisco High School in 2005. She lived in Dallas and Laguna Beach owing to her model career. So that's where she began. her modeling career was in Laguna Beach, which if you're an OG Laguna Beach was popping in like 2005 and 2006. About
to be like shout out. Lauren Conrad Kristin Cavalier, Heidi.
That was everything that should have me in a chokehold back
Steven Steven burrow. He was an actor on One Tree Hill.
He was wasn't it? Yeah. Archery money. adrina. Was it patronage? Yeah, I loved her. She's beautiful. She's beautiful. Dunning. I remember being so young and she just had the prettiest teeth for real anyway, sorry, we're, we're side tangent anyway. The beautiful Texan embarked on a modeling career which brought her to La she modeled for Playboy and was chosen as mid March in 2011. Getting the customary centerfold photo spread in the magazine, Playboy led to more career opportunities for Mattingly as she gushed about in an interview. I love Playboy, especially after watching The Girls Next Door, it was my favorite show ever. I've been busy with appearances and signings, it's so much fun. Also, the spokesmodel for swim swim green swim jury Ashley Mattingly was in a relationship with prison break after Lynn Garrison until he was arrested in 2012 for allegedly hitting her chocker security camera footage released by TMZ which fuck TMZ by the way, for real for real for real, um, back then reportedly showed Garrison slap Mattingly during an outlet legit domestic dispute, Garrison denied there was any domestic violence even though it was right there on video. He's like it's not me, did it I didn't smack the shit out of her. That Amy, but pleaded no contest to the charges thereby avoiding jail time. And again, that is what's wrong with today's society in today's government, they don't hold men accountable. After he was released a couple put on a united front. However the relationship didn't last. Garrison moved on welcoming his first child daughter Linden rose with his fiancee, Mary Caitlin and 2018. While Garrison had run ins with the law in the past, Ashley Mattingly had her own share of troubles. She had an alleged stalker incident in 2016. She also battled alcohol issues, and she was charged with a DUI in 2016, after ramming into four parked cars off the golf cart, which I don't mean to laugh, but like it also makes me like how does that happen to me drunk on a golf cart also same. I can just see that happening to me. According to her siblings, Mattingly moved to Austin, Texas two years ago due to her struggle with alcohol abuse. Recently, the Shelter in Place Order amid the Coronavirus pandemic made her feel lonely, but she opted a nine month she adopted fucking words, she adopted a nine month old puppy as a companion, Ashley Mattingly was reportedly found unresponsive at her home after a friend who was concerned about the lack of contact from Ashley called local law enforcement to do a wellness check. Um, before I say this next part, I just want to say I'm pretty sure this is still an ongoing investigation. So I don't want to spread any false information. This is just off of the notes that I've taken. And I'm not gonna say that any of this is matter of fact. It was just what I found is
the legit legit. Yes is a legit, this is not
details about the cause of her death or unknown pending the autopsy. However, her family has confirmed that she died by suicide. Her siblings, Billy and Christy revealed the news on their social media profiles. They said that she left behind a suicide note but they have not seen it yet. Because the investigation is still ongoing.
Yeah, because they would need that as evidence. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if that is the case, like you have to think about how many people were actually feeling that way during the height of
Oh, I'm sure suicide rates were just so sky high during that time that
plus domestic violence. Like statistics just soared
so badly. This curse. It is. Obviously we don't know for sure if this is a curse, but it sure seems like something really dark is surrounding the Playboy industry.
Yeah. And it was like taking it out on the people who didn't deserve it.
Right. And like you said, All before the age of 40 they died and just tragic and sad ways. It's just like, so sad.
It seems like they got involved with some men that like, we're not good people. You're not always the problem too. And like them being so young, like, you know, 20 in their early 20s, or whatever. They put their all their faith into these men thinking that they're going to be good for them when they're not
right. So yeah, that is the first part of the Playboy course.
Yay.
If you guys want to hear more, please let us know. We will open this episode up for discussion on the group page. I'm
glad you got to talk more than I pretty much just like sat here and listened to you the whole time. Well,
I it was a lot of notes. Yeah, it was it was a lot.
I mean, it was plus I'm doing like the second half. Yes. Has
taken over the second half of the deaths. Yeah, cuz
like we talked about on text like, it's a lot to do it is so we just decided to split it
phenomena? Yeah, like around it? Like what? Why? Yeah, like, what, like, what has like, a hold on like, playboy?
Yeah. You know what I mean? It's definitely strange. And
I mean, now since, you know, it's not a playboy is not as prevalent now. That, you know, half is gone because they stopped doing print magazines in 2020. Really? Yeah. So now like all online,
so yeah, that is that is the the first part of this Playboy curse. We will be back with a part two, Hannah will bring you stories of more playmates on that episode. So if you guys enjoyed this, let us know.
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And yeah, that's all we have for today. This was a long one it was but we'll be back with part two next week. We've been four weeks in a row consistent
motherfucking Queen needs you guys our show like maybe it's just us I don't mean to gases like this but like you guys have really been enjoying our shit lately. Yeah and like that is just like hyping us up like we love it
like I feel like it's just like our content has got like we finally found our knee our
yeah our groove and like We'll definitely be back with like you know the the real life shit the drama The juice, but like we wanted to bring you guys that formal conspiracy S type of episode because we know you guys like that shit. We like that shit. People eat that shit up.
But I think it also like this would this spreads awareness to like, being young and being in like such a sexualized industry and how you're treated women and men
will win when we started talking about this idea for the episode almost thinking like it is very on theme for us. Because it does bring awareness to women, sexual empowerment, domestic violence, all of those things that we try to bring awareness to. So I think that this type of episode is very on theme for us.
And like these women were so young, they had so many ambitions and dreams and that were far more than playboy. Yeah. And it was just cut off like way too soon really was
so you know, rest in peace to all of these beautiful and talented, stunning women
100%. And like even, you know, the women who are still here and have gone through horrible, horrible things with regarding, you know, Playboy enterprises or whatever. So, yeah, that's all we have for today. You guys, thank you guys so much for listening and we'll talk to you in the next one. Bye
